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Post by Admin on Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:10 pm

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Post by Dee S on Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:07 pm

He's a quiet one, until he isn't. Wink

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Post by Admin on Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:10 pm

Dee S wrote:He's a quiet one, until he isn't. Wink


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Post by Admin on Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:24 pm

How’s everyone’s weekend been so far? Another pointless veteran’s day here. I hate even caring or hearing about it anymore. People all seem to have stereotypes and expectations—war stories you don’t want to tell; the wife abusing, alcoholic; PTSD sufferer.

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Post by Dee S on Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:52 pm

We've lost the JOY in life.

There is so much to be had.

But we have somehow relegated it to the unimportant things.

Sad panda here. Too cold outside. Staying in but I want lasagna. Hoping he'll go get one when he wakes up from his nap. I realllllyyyy want lasagna.

My daughter was at work Thursday night. She works at ACEMCO, an automotive parts manufacturer. Well - they had a fire. No fire alarms. No suppressant system. A filter on a welder caught fire. IT is next to the PILE of dies. Each die is worth no less than $40K. She and another worker got everyone out using the PA system and their voices. Fire company was called. Fire put out, twice. And they went back to work. She worked overtime last night. . . . she and her coworkers complained about "sore throats" today. I wonder whyyyyyy .. Sad I hate irresponsible business owners.

The fire supression system is "being installed" .. it's just not "done yet". I have a feeling the person/people (most likely one person) are getting not-so-gently prodded to get it done ASAP. Knowing the inspectors in this area, they're all over that shop now as well as MIOSHA.

Only the operator was hurt because he tried to get to the filter and put it out before it ignited ... probably old rags they keep by the welder that are drenched .. in oil.
sigh .. I can't make this shit up.
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Post by Admin on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:44 am

There was a thing in NPR on On Point within last twelve months or so about injuries in automotive factories in US. People would get caught in the machines, and no one even knew how to disable the machines.

Thank goodness she is okay.

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Post by Dee S on Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:11 pm

They have guards and laser stops as well as chain maille type fences to keep hands out. They're SUPPOSED to block up the die if they put body parts in there but don't always do that so people lose fingers and limbs. And lives sometimes. It's quantity quantity quantity and rework afterward as long as it's within the spec range.

3rd shift is the most dangerous one, which is the shift she works. They have the least oversight. Least access to management and often run pretty autonomously. Until something catches fire, smashes or is a costly breakage. Then changes happen, for a while.

I thank God she and her coworkers are OK but know it's a dangerous place to work. I worked in a similar shop for 3.5 years but as liaison between the office and floor. I had a rare perspective that not many in the office had. I wasn't management so they were pretty open and welcoming of my "intrusions".
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Post by Admin on Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:23 am

That is horrible, Dee. And the problem is that those jobs are actually the better paying ones relatively speaking. I need to find that NPR broadcast on safety issues at automotive plants in America. It is troubling.

Where is everyone?

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Post by laurav on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:07 pm

I am stranded at Schipol airport with Zoe. Flight to Philly got delayed and then cancelled--supposedly due to "fog." I have a trial tomorrow, so this really sucks majorly. I got into a polite argument with an American airlines agent because despite the "fog" there are other airlines like Delta headed to Atlanta, and I feel they should grant me the option of getting on another airline, but they won't unless it is one of their Oneworld partners, and those are all full....

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Post by Admin on Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:15 pm

I don't understand airlines at all anymore. If they leave you stranded for significant periods of time, contractually it seems they should be obligated to find a way to get you out of the situation. Have they booked you on another flight?

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Post by Admin on Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:31 pm

Rule 240 is what I was thinking of, but the internet says that is now defunct and only three airlines will do it. Yay deregulation!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/columnist/hobica/2014/07/22/flight-delay-cancellation-rule-240/12956525/

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Post by Dee S on Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:53 pm

That'd be interesting to view James. I hope you can find it.

Laura I hope you are able to get out of there soon. "Fog" sounds like code for unable to get a crew in in time.
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Post by laurav on Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:23 pm

I’m stuck until noon tomorrow. They are supposed to have rebooted the connecting flight back to Orlando. It is past 10pm here local time. Zoe finally zonked out. I feel really bad for her. Fortunately my trial reached a settlement, and I was able to get another attorney to submit settlement to court tomorrow.

My frustration is not being able to get on another airline when there are flights getting out.

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Post by Admin on Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:54 pm

Your husband did not come? Tell them that Zoe is on a trip to receive medical treatment and will not make it much longer without it, and you must get to the United States.

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Post by laurav on Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:38 pm

Admin wrote:Your husband did not come? Tell them that Zoe is on a trip to receive medical treatment and will not make it much longer without it, and you must get to the United States.

No he did not come on this trip. My grandfather is 97 and lives on a farm in very rural area, so not his cup of tea.

I don’t know if they would really believe that. Maybe I could get her to act like she is having a seizure, but I have a feeling that would back fire.

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Post by Admin on Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:27 pm

Well worth a shot. It sounds completely awful and exhausting to be stranded there until tomorrow with a toddler.

This Ray Moore stuff is making me sick. I cannot believe Sessions ‘revised’ his testimony.

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Post by laurav on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:36 pm

I'm pretty in and out of consciousness at this point.

The Trump admin is a complete debacle--the tax bill is mind blowingly bad for anyone but corporations and the very wealthy.

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Post by Dee S on Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:03 pm

Very rural sounds like heaven at this point. I'm fed up with people. IDK the time difference but am hoping you were finally able to fly out. Sounds like a horrendous experience. I hope that you enjoyed your visit with your grandfather though.

Another shooting in town. A stabbing the other day. A shooting the day before that. Seems like the BS has returned to our quiet city again. Looks like the latest one was a kidnapping too. http://www.wzzm13.com/news/local/muskegon/3-children-last-seen-in-shooting-suspects-suv-police-say/492089148

That explains why the cops were still there after midnight when we saw the lights on our way home from downtown last night. They could be anywhere at this point. I hope they catch him and bring the the babies home safely. Thankfully the adults who were shot (the mother/father?) should recover from their wounds. The one good thing is that the Judges here don't play around, especially where kids are concerned. I'll update when they catch him. I have every confidence he'll come out of hiding pretty damned quick with 3 kids 3 and under.

Speaking of 3's..please give my favorite 3 yr old hugs from me. Smile

Rainy and cold day here in Muskegon. Almost all of our leaves have fallen already. One nice thing is that with the driveway repair done in summer, we're not flooded; my irritating neighbor is cheers
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Post by Admin on Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:06 pm

Seems like endless gun violence across the US. CNN covered the serial killer loose in Tampa; heard about the killing spree in Northern California, and a horrible story like that, Dee. I don't get it.

I don't get Congress's latest move to make sure that the 40% of people unsubsidized on and off the health insurance exchanges have another outrageous premium hike..or the atrocious tax bill which threatens to wipe middle class existence of the map.

People should be rioting in the streets over this and instead they're battling traffic to get to their jobs where they needlessly spend the rest of their lives working for relatively little.

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Post by Dee S on Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:43 pm

As for the above story, the children were recovered safely in Grand Rapids. They caught the father last night. http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2017/11/suspect_in_muskegon_shootings.html#incart_river_home

People are so overwhelmed trying to survive that making change has been left to people like myself who have little clout. I found a text bot that can help everyone get involved. If you type the word "Resist" (no quotation marks) to 50409 the bot will walk you through writing emails, snail mails, etc, to your local and federal rep's. As well as Gov's & Drumpf. I wrote to our R House rep about the tax bill. He supported it. Sad Now to fight the Senate!
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Post by Admin on Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:41 pm

Dee S wrote:As for the above story, the children were recovered safely in Grand Rapids. They caught the father last night. http://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/index.ssf/2017/11/suspect_in_muskegon_shootings.html#incart_river_home

People are so overwhelmed trying to survive that making change has been left to people like myself who have little clout. I found a text bot that can help everyone get involved. If you type the word "Resist" (no quotation marks) to 50409 the bot will walk you through writing emails, snail mails, etc, to your local and federal rep's. As well as Gov's & Drumpf. I wrote to our R House rep about the tax bill. He supported it. Sad  Now to fight the Senate!

You are the best, Dee Smile

What does everyone think of the explosion of sexual abuse allegations against Ray Moore and others, including now Al Franken? I did think Al Franken's second apology was good,, provided it was genuine. Kevin Spacey and no more House of Cards...that is messed up.

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Post by Dee S on Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:38 pm

House of Cards had already announced it was ending. We lost a season, that's all. It was already wrapping up.

Ray Moore needs help, and jail. Those who support him need some strong intervention for delusional thinking. There is NOTHING "ok" about a man in his 30s going after a 14 year old.

Franken was being a comedian. That's what he did. His humor was always borderline, often over the top. Shock comedy was all the rage. Should he have done it? No. But he owns it, admitted to it and asked for a senate investigation of himself.

A lot of victims are now feeling it's safe to reveal. Are there people lying trying to get in the spotlight? Sure there are. Can we ignore even one though in the off chance that the claims are real and others are in danger? How do we discern? That's what our legal system is supposed to do but it has failed abuse victims for decades. I don't have an answer other than, be kind, be supportive until the facts dictate otherwise. Giving support can only help the truth come out.
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Post by Dee S on Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:58 pm

I had a very long discussion on my son's post over the past few days about all of these reveals. My son posts some very thoughtful and deep things. He's also a jokester who likes bawdy humor. No doubt that he's my kid! Wink Many of his posts are public. Search James Saville if you want to join in. Excelsior Computer Repair is his profile.
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Post by Admin on Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:02 pm

I will have to check it out. By the way, I would love to be friends with everyone on here but so far only have Dee and Laura (when she is not deactivating her account lol). I am James Craven (my name) on FB

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Post by laurav on Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:40 pm

I did end up making it back, but ended up coming down with something. I have too much going on at the moment it seems....(long story).

Dee, I will definitely hug your favorite three year old for you.

I find the Ray Moore allegations particularly troubling on a number of levels. 1) I think they are distinguishable in that they involve a purported "rigid moralist," so Christian and right wing that he was expelled from the bench over the various documented issues. 2) the "moral majority" is engaged in blanket denial, to the point where woman are campaigning vigorously for him 3) None if this is new. It is endemic to these groups.

Religion has a problematic relationship with domestic violence, child abuse, abuse against women, bigotry, and hypocrisy--Hollywood is not entitled to moral high ground as a matter of right in our society, whereas religion is and always has been.

Similar to the Catholic church and other authoritarian religious organizations, the protestant, right wing Christian communities are full of violence, sexual abuse,  and have heavily infiltrated the political spectrum and voting mass of our country as evinced by Ray Moore. In fact many states have laws that shield religious leaders from reporting confessions of abuse.

A couple my parents were close friends with in their church (which is a mega church of several thousand people). The husband ultimately became a pastor in Ohio, and it came out that he had a hard drive full of child pornography, and my parents were actually on the fence about whether the wife should divorce him.

Another couple, who were also close friends of my parents--this involved a husband who kept getting "allegations" made against him of inappropriate relationships with teenage girls related to his job. For years, my parents and others in the church kept praying against the satanic forces making these false allegations against him. Eventually, a fresh wave of allegations cornered him and he had to admit he had been sleeping with teenage girls coming into the church's ministry from the streets etc. This couple are actually still together and I run into them at my parents' house from time to time.

In both instances, it was covered up with resignations and no criminal charge were brought.

Those are just two illustrative incidents off the top of my head. I could go into many similar, and worse situations. The point, however, is that the Republicans, especially the "far right"/ tea party/ Sarah Palin loonies/ Ted Cruz loonies/ whatever the fuck they want to call themselves today are well aware of it. What I don't fully understand, and would like to have more insight into, is how ingrained the psychological denial is as well as the authoritarian, hierarchical structures that make it possible.

I don't think until we de-legitimatize the religious apparatus in the Republican party that is enabling this, anything will change.

To be clear, humans, by their nature, are capable of doing endlessly horrible things, obviously not limited to occurring within religion by any means, but the manner in which politics, religion, and these sort of things coincide is deeply troubling, and I think one of the major reasons Trump got into power.

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